2 Olympic Medals Later & I Remember How People Made Me Feel

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On today's episode.

Katherine: 0:02

And like I said, you can get that from winning a race, but people forget how you did, but people do not forget how you made them feel. And that's the impact that I think we're all trying to have as coaches.

Luke: 0:24

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Katherine: 1:56

I would definitely say my dad started that for me. Um, know, as I coach now, I've really, I've really tried to observe where motivation comes from. And what I've learned is that there are several different ways a person can practice motivation. And so specifically you can think of it in, um, drivers and rewards. I think when I was growing up. It was very, I was very lucky that I. The skills to drive my own car, if that makes sense, not my literal car, but just, I was driven to seek betterment and speed skating happened to be the direction in which I chose. And then I also was very, uh, connected with my sense of reward, which for me has always been a sense of pride and feeling good about the effort that you put in. Um, and so I would definitely, yeah, I would credit my dad with teaching me both of those things. Yeah. Having become a coach. Now I'm very grateful to learn, have learned the athlete side, but also be seeing the coaching side

Luke: 3:01

And why did you decide to throw your hat into the coaching ring upon your retirement of competitive speed skaing?

Katherine: 3:07

I just felt like it was right. You know, and I, I, I had this opportunity or I. I could see that there could be some coaching opportunities coming up for me, maybe in the weight room, maybe in skating. Now I work with hockey players, um, specifically on their skating, but really what I've learned and what keeps me in coaching is that all coaching from my perspective is mindset. And how do you help an athlete feel like they've achieved their goal, regardless of if they can actually say I got first, second, third, whatever, but how do you help an athlete feel that sense of pride and accomplishment? And the mental side of it is what keeps me coming back.

Luke: 3:54

Well, you and I have been discussing offline my motivation for this podcast, and I really want to influence coaches and teachers to embrace the fact that true leadership is really about making a difference in someone's life. That the title of coach has nothing to do with the scoreboard. I know you and I are in alignment on this based on our previous conversation before we hit record. Why should leaders though prioritize the people that they lead rather than the outcomes of the game?

Katherine: 4:25

Well, in my, in my experience, that's the only difference you can make that counts and I'll, I'll prove it to you like this. Do you have any idea who won the gold medal in the thousand meter in the 2002 Olympics?

Luke: 4:38

Honestly, I don't,

Katherine: 4:39

No, no idea. I do cause I got second. And so I, that was a shameless plug. Uh, but.

Luke: 4:45

I'll be honest with you. If I got second, I would have done the same thing. So.

Katherine: 4:49

Well, my, my point is, if you don't know who got gold, you definitely don't know who got silver or bronze or fourth or fifth or 10th. Um, but you know, I bet that somebody listening watched the 2010 Olympics and remembers having a good experience watching they remember seeing an American win or just remember seeing a heart touching story. And that is kind of a philosophy of mine now as a coach, is that right? People will forget what you did. They will forget what place you came in, but people will not forget how you made them feel. And if you made an athlete feel important, you can do that with, or without winning the race. If you win on top of it, that's great. But I feel that our goal here is to make sure that people know that they're important. Um, and I think anyone who's ever gone through a stretch in their life. They had to question whether or not they were important question, why they were important, what made them important, um, how to, how to navigate their life in a way that stays focused on what's important to them. I mean, coaching isn't just, like you said, the scoreboard coaching is a part of life and I just genuinely feel that whether it's an athlete or my spouse or my friends or whoever I want at the end of my day, I want to know that people are, I already know people are going to remember how I made them feel, and I want to make sure that the way people remember me as positive. And like I said, you can get that from winning a race, but people forget how you did, but people do not forget how you made them feel. And that's the impact that I think we're all trying to have as coaches.

Luke: 6:25

Well, I do believe in people. And I also believe that leaders get into leadership because they are people-centered and they really do want to make a difference in the lives of those they lead however they may just not know what to do, or you know, how that looks in a day in and day out basis. So what are some strategies that our listeners can implement in their classrooms or in athletics? That will prove to these young people that they lead. Hey, I'm here for you and not me.

Katherine: 6:56

Well, I think the first and most important thing that a coach can do is self-reflect because that is what I am asking of my athletes. I want them to be both confident and honest in their ability to say that was my best job, or I made a few mistakes and here's what I'll do different. And so I think that that's really step one. Coaches need to embrace the idea of self-reflection because that is how you learn and that's how you get better. Um, some resources that I've personally found to really help with that. I, I mean, I study one of my favorite things as an athlete was I felt that I was a student of my sport and I plan on taking that student mindset into anything in my life that I hope to do. And so when I'm studying coaching, The first thing that I ever I ever turned to was an online curriculum called Vision Pursue. And that changed, that changed my life as an athlete, as well as, as a coach. And so, uh, it's an, it's a curriculum that my sports psychologist helped create when I was training for the 2018 Olympic trials. And so he's got me started working on it. And, um, I'll just give you a quick backstory. It's a meditation and mindfulness based curriculum, but it is meant specifically for the high-performer. And that could be a coach and athlete a teacher, an executive, honestly, just a, just a husband or a wife or, or a kid. Anyone who wants to perform better and have a life experience that they're proud of. The, just having that. Curriculum really helped me get clear about what's. What is the difference I'm trying to make, you know, am I trying to just get a bunch of, get a bunch of metals, which to be honest with you, I, I did that at a certain time in my life, and that was fun, but it did not leave me with lifelong skills. Um, like learning how to self reflect and practice my meditation and mindfulness has, and that makes me a better coach. I'm able to connect with athletes as people first, which is very much the theme of what we're talking about. Um, the next piece that I would highly recommend is a book called Whale Done. And while getting started on having your own sense of awareness to me is very important. Obviously we do that work to have a bigger impact on others. And one of my very favorites work psychology. Had said to me at one point, if you don't do anything else with your time read this book Whale Done. And it's a, it's a book about how to build positive relationships. And it's a book about how to build positive relationships using positive feedback so that you create this feeling of trust. And you're clear in the expectation, not just with coach to athlete, but again, like spouse-to-spoute, parent to child in relationships in general. So those are some places that I personally got started and would recommend for others.

Luke: 9:54

Those are great suggestions. And, you know, even with the clarity that you mentioned of, this is my purpose and this is what I want to achieve. As a coach, there's the harsh reality of outcomes. And if a coach does not win, he or she is likely to be fired. So how do we balance external expectations of performance based outcomes with the process of making better people and impacting lives?

Katherine: 10:22

Yeah, I have a good friend who owns a CrossFit gym and he brought this up to me recently where he said, um, you know, the difference that I make is so much deeper than the number on the scale or the number of wins versus losses, but that's what we, as coaches are judged on, on our wins and losses, regardless of the fact that we impact human lives every day. And so, yeah. From a, from a 30,000 foot view of society. I have no idea how we change that. Um, from down here in the weeds, working with people, you know, I have a process where basically, I just, I just want to know what you learned. I had a teammate once who would say that experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. And, and what I would suggest that we all try to do here at the ground level is. You either get what you want, which is a win and that's great. Or you get experience, which is often more valuable than the thing that you wanted in the first place. And coming back to this idea of people first, I mean, your athletes may or may not get noticed by a scout. They may or may not have the genetic talents required to perform at an elite level. They may or may not keep a healthy body for the majority of their athletic career. There are just so many. Limiting factors that come in between an athlete's process and their performance. All we can do is continue to remind athletes, like why do we do this? Why, why we play? And when we go back to your first question, which was about motivation, the most powerful type of motivation is called intrinsic motivation. And it means that you can provide your own sense of reward. So finishing something that's hard gives you. Uh, a big enough feeling of pride and accomplishment. That that is the only reward that you need. You don't need a scoreboard to say that you feel good. You don't need someone in the stands to approve of you. If you can achieve your own sense of accomplishment, you have intrinsic motivation, which is the most powerful type of motivation that there is. So without, you know, being able to change the way that society as a whole looks at wins and losses, all I can really say is that I have won, I've won world championships. I have won Olympic medals, and I can still tell you, honestly, my coaches forgot that I was a human first. My coaches started seeing me as this little metal winning machine that would get them funding because I was winning all the metals and Yeah. Physically and emotionally, there was a point where I was broken and I know that none of us want that for our athletes. We all want athletes who can feel proud of their process. Um, and so all we can do is be a source of light. They often think of myself in the coaching world, no matter how down and athletes seems that I can be a source of light for this person. And to remind them that the scoreboard is not what it's all about.

Luke: 13:19

And that's a great transition to your expertise. Mindset. And I know you believe in the importance of teaching positive mental health skills, especially to young people in the classroom and within the realm of athletics. So, why do we wait until the athlete is broken until we address this and. With that being said, how do we fix that problem? So Why should a teacher forsake that day of curriculum, why should a coach put practice plans aside and address the mental health needs of our young athletes?

Katherine: 13:55

Well, that's a great question. And. What I would say in response to that, uh, a quote comes to mind from the last dance docu series that came out last year during quarantine and all that with Michael Jordan. And there was a scene where his coach, whose name just flew right out of my head. Phil Jackson. It's in the middle of this big game defining moment. And Michael Jordan wants to take the game winning shot. And Phil Jackson looked at him and says, look for the person that's open. You can still create opportunities, even if they're for someone else. And. I think that that would be our goal as coaches is to create opportunities for someone else. And the reason that athletes have to wait until something is wrong before they receive mental skills, help is because not enough of us adults know how to model proper mental skills for our children. Um, Really, I think of myself as a coach. This happens to me every night. Uh, the group's a little late, we're starting five minutes behind and I, I needed that full 60 minutes and I'm anxious and I'm stressed. And then an athlete asks me a question that I don't know the answer to. And I have a choice in that moment to show the athlete. I'm anxious, I'm stressed and it's affecting my decision making. Or I have the opportunity in that moment to say I'm anxious and I'm stressed, big, deep breath, focus on what's important and do what needs to be done. And if that is the skill that I want my athlete to carry out, when they're in the middle of a high pressure situation, it is my job to model that behavior. But let's be real. We're all humans. And sometimes you get stressed and you get anxious and you don't use the right tone of voice when you're answering a question or you don't give a, uh, uh, a long-winded enough answer to fully connect and give that athlete the feedback they were looking for. We all do it. And so. First of all, it goes back to that point of being able to self-reflect as a coach and ask what are the behaviors that I think are important. This is part of leadership as well. What are the ways that I would personally want to be led? And just because no one modeled it for you doesn't mean that you can't identify what it would've looked like for yourself. And then it just takes practice remembering to breathe in that moment. Um, my husband's also a hockey coach and we discuss this all the time. If the team's record makes the coach anxious and upset, of course, the record is going to make the athletes and their parents anxious and upset. We, as coaches must model the behavior that we want are athletes and their families to adopt. And we do have to hold ourselves to a little bit higher, your expectation, because we are the ones who show the way. And I think that while there are so many great resources out there on mental skills for parents, for athletes and for coaches that I, I love to provide those resources and to be a trusted resource for people who want to learn more. Um, if you learn those resources proactively, we can teach phenomenal mental skills to athletes before they encounter significant trouble at all.

Luke: 17:18

And that's a great point of modeling the skills that you want your kids to emulate. And I prided myself on that exact topic. We used the phrase lead from the front, however, Teachers and coaches are human beings too. And there's some mental health issues going on in that profession as well. And we're losing teachers and coaches at an alarming rate, burnout, feeling undervalued, uh, pressures to perform at high levels, you know, full transparency. I felt that about a year and a half ago, and I pressed pause on my career and yeah. The irony is as I was having success. And that success is what brought on all the pressure and it caused me to lose my why. And I started to make it about the outcomes and lose perspective on what's really important. And that's the kids. And I know a lot of teachers and coaches. Feel the same way. And my question to you is what can teachers and coaches do to monitor their own mental health and enable them to really focus on what matters and that's impacting the lives of the kids.

Katherine: 18:27

I know I can only speak for myself here, but what's helped me monitor my mental health the most is having a morning routine and an evening routine, something short and simple that I enjoy doing because tools only work if you use them. And if you. Get joy out of using a tool. You won't use it. And then that's, you know, by having a toolbox. Um, so for me having a few minutes of space in the morning and a few minutes of space before I go to bed where I can journal or meditate, or honestly, a lot of the time when I'm journaling, especially if I'm worked up about coach. Um, I have, I have a process that I follow. So I have two different things I have my morning and evening routine, which helps me be a whole complete balanced person and helps me respond to stress in my life. And then as a coach, when I sit down, the first thing that I write down in my journal is. W I N and it stands for what's important now. And what I find is that what's important now, every time that I, that I sit down is that, well, it's really important that my athletes have a great experience, it's important that they feel motivated and encouraged. It's important that I inspire them to try hard. And of course, I have to have a program written. That pushes them, but what's important now is not having the world-class program that's going to make everyone the best athlete they ever were. What's important now is connecting, motivating, inspiring teaching, how to feel that intrinsic motivation. So I start my day off with actually recognizing what is important now. And I do truly believe that if you follow that acronym, you will win literally on the, on the field or on the court, but also figuratively just in your sense of self. Um, so there's that, that would be a good strategy. Then I also, at the end of my, at the end of my Workday, especially if something happened that I'd like to learn from, I just take a moment to write it down. And this is something as an athlete that I, I had a training journal, I wrote in my training journal every day, really small, simple things. Like when was that? When was I at my best. Uh, when was I not at my best, what did I learn? How can I improve? And I think that's, again, another another behavior we want to model for our athletes because it's not a big deal to make a mistake. What's a big deal is when you beat yourself up on the mistake and you get so hard on yourself that you forget to respond appropriately. And make a change. And I think this is where athletes and coaches get stuck is that they're so upset with themselves for having goofed up whatever it was that they forget. Step two of goofing up, which is to gain the experience and learn from the mistake. And so whether the end of my day coaching is like, Hey, everything was awesome. I nailed it. Or if the, you know, my day was. Darn next time. I need to adjust this, this and this and respond appropriately to this question by saying that. And now if nothing else I haven't experienced that I can draw from in the future.

Luke: 21:36

And just playing devil's advocate. There's a lot of coaches that would say, I hate losing so much. I'm so driven to win and they just can't the morning routine you discussed is not going to be able to get them over that feeling of loss. What would you say to those coaches and help them to keep perspective?

Katherine: 21:57

I would ask why losing hurts your feelings. Because I think what most people will find is that losing triggers this sense of I'm not good enough, I didn't do a good enough job. And if you don't feel good enough, then you can spiral off into all kinds of negative self-talk. And I would just encourage people to to literally ask yourself what's important now in this very moment. And if it's important that you win. Why is it important that you win? Um, I often do an exercise called the five whys and I'm doing this off the cuff, so it might not run very smoothly, but let's, let's play this game. What what's important now? Um, winning actually, why don't, why don't you and I I'll try this with you, so,

Luke: 22:44

Oh, man, I'm on the hot seat. All right, let's go. Let's do

Katherine: 22:47

yeah. So Let's pretend that what's important now is winning and that was be your answer. And I'm going to ask you Luke, why is it important?

Luke: 22:56

because I hate losing.

Katherine: 22:57

Why do you hate losing?

Luke: 22:59

It's it's the feeling it's, it's just the let down of all that work all that time to just come away, feeling unfulfilled.

Katherine: 23:07

Okay. Why is feeling unfulfilled unbearable.

Luke: 23:10

I don't, I don't know. There's so many eyes on me. You know, my players are expecting to win. The parents are expecting the, when I have the administration out there critiquing me the, the media. There's just, there's a lot of pressure to win both externally and internally

Katherine: 23:26

Sure. And why are other people's expectations important?

Luke: 23:31

because that's the world we live in today. Katherine.

Katherine: 23:34

Yeah. Okay. Sure. So that's the world we live in today. So what can we do about it? And I'm, I'm just asking, does anything come to mind?

Luke: 23:42

Um, well, I think we need to focus on the micro rather than the macro. And, uh, cause that you you brought up the point looking from third 30,000 feet to far or above, right? We can't control society. There there's so many complexities of the world today. We're not going to impact that negative ball of energy that seems to be going on in our societies today, but we can control the people that we come in contact each day and we can control our responses to them, our impact on them, our attitude towards them. And I believe on that micro level, that's how we can ultimately end up impacting our misguided views in society.

Katherine: 24:24

I, I completely agree. And so what I heard you say was that winning is important because it helps support your philosophy for what you believe in and that what you believe in is making a difference for athletes, which you can do with, or without the win. And I fully understand, Hey, I got a silver medal. I am first place loser. I fully understand what it feels like to not be good enough to let people down, to, to be the person that the media is zoomed in on. And then to UN gracefully fall right off that pedestal. I know what that feels like. And I also know, um, at least from my athlete point of view, that. Winning is not what has ever made me feel good enough. Winning has given me short term hits of validation, but there are so many other things that genuinely fill my cup to the point where I feel good enough. And the number one thing that that is is relationships. It's relationships with others. It's a relationship with God. It's a relationship with yourself and you can cultivate all of these things. And if you're doing that, man, I hope you win, but it doesn't change your process. If you don't, you still matter, you're still important. You're still good enough when you learn to focus through the right lens.

Luke: 25:50

Well, I think part of the issue, Katherine is especially coaches. We love control. We love to control as much as we can of the process of the journey of the game of our athletes. And I've heard you say that no matter how hard we all try, we don't control performance. And again, people would push back on that statement that you've made. Can you explain what you mean by that?

Katherine: 26:15

Yes. Um, yes, I can. So if we make a list of the things that you were in direct control of and direct control means that you can get them exactly how you want them and keep them. That's direct control. I'd be happy to hear other answers. But the one that I come to the most consistently is effort. I can decide what I want my effort to be, and I can keep it there. Then we have a lot of things. Yeah. Are not in our direct control, but we can influence. And this is where coaches and athletes absolutely thrive. I can influence how my warmup goes by deciding how early I want to be at the rink, where I can influence how my team plays by coming in with a certain energy and giving the exact right pre-game pep talk. And. Thousands of things that you can influence. And this is where coaches and athletes should be spending. The majority of their attention is what can we directly control and what can we influence? However, Then there's this whole third column of what do we have no control over whatsoever. You can't control bad calls. You can't control when a player randomly gets injured. I would even say it's hard sometimes to control your emotions, to stay in a, uh a perfect mental spot and the list of non-controlled. Can go miles long and because it's natural, it's human nature to be uncomfortable with the unknown that can naturally be where the mind is drawn to, to have this compulsion to control the non-controllable. And that is where I feel that coaching. And even that this same experience as an athlete, that's where it gets a little bit unhealthy. When you are compulsively, trying to control the not controllable, you can drive yourself nuts, but when you keep your energy and your attention on what's it directly in my control, that's number one, because an effort that you're proud of is where intrinsic motivation comes from. And then you can stay focused on all the factors that you can influence. And there's big ones. Like, do you have the practice plan made the game strategy set, then, then there's small ones and you can decide how much attention you want to give to each thing based on what an impact they make on your team. Um, and I think that just in general, that's a process that coaches can use to keep the job from getting overwhelming, to keep from falling victim, to burnout. Is by having a discipline process of choosing what's important. What can I influence? What can I control? What needs to be, let go, and then practicing the things that we preach. Like I said, modeling that behavior to our athletes.

Luke: 28:57

Well, one thing that's really important, in my opinion, as a coach is each individual. And within the realm of team sports, we ask each individual to sacrifice for the team. And, you know, I'm sure you've seen that popular slogan. A lot of shirts, team is greater than, than me and, and, and I get the philosophy behind those shirts. I am of the belief that we have to first focus on the individual. And that's why the podcast is The "I" in Win I think the individual is what makes the team, I think the individual is more important to the team because without that individual, and you don't have a team and I'm frustrated because I feel like coaches pick and choose which individuals they want to impact. And. It's actually happening in the classrooms too. You know if you're an average student, you get forgotten about if you're, if you're on the low end or the high end, all the focus is placed on you. And I would say in athletics, if you're on the high end, all the focus is placed upon you and we're not hitting every "I". So where does the "I" fit in the team realm in your opinion?

Katherine: 30:07

I would say that, well, there, there's a saying that I like what's good for the goose is good for the Gander. And I think that kind of supports what you're saying, that you. You need a team of 20 individuals. And then the goal of the team is for the sum of those individuals to be greater than their individual parts. So if we want to be striving for each player on the team to be at a 10 out of 10, we want that for each individual. And we want, when all of those individuals come together, we want the sum of their parts. Well, I should maybe say the average of the sum of their parts to be an 11. We want there to be this magic chemistry that when this group is together, they make each other better. And the only way that I can make somebody else better is if I have first focused on improving myself, um, if I'm not focused on improving myself, or if I'm feeling insecure about whether or not I'm good enough, I'm not looking externally for which teammate I can, I can give a backpack to. That's I think that's that's really important. So I think there's is much to be said about, you want to encourage the individual growth of each athlete and you want that individual growth to make a positive impact on the other individuals and therefore create a strong team.

Luke: 31:31

Well, you know, that's a great response. And the one thing I do want to comment on is the idea of looking at yourself and I feel like, and I'm going to get out of my soap box a little bit that coaches fail to do this. So often anyone who coach for me has heard me say, you want kids to hustle you hustle. And I think that's such an important concept for coaches to understand, you know, the coach sitting on a chair, reading a newspaper with a cup of coffee in the weight room, and then every once in a while, yelling at athletes to work hard. I don't think that works. I don't think that's productive. I don't think it's motivated. And, uh I think athletes see right through that. So, this idea of telling a kid, Hey, you just need to sacrifice for the team because, well, that's, that's what good teammates do. I don't know if that's enough for kids. I think you need to first show the kid. I care about you. Here's how I'm going to invest in you as a person and help impact your life. And then once you have that relationship, Katherine, I would argue, then you could ask the kid to sacrifice for the team, but the flaws, so many coaches expect that naturally, or I should say intrinsically, as you said to just be there for a kid that, okay, I'm going to just give them myself. I'm going to go play offensive line for football right now, or defense in hockey, which I know a lot of kids want to score goals at young age. Right. Am I right on that? Katherine and hockey? I mean, right. So I think it's, as a coach, you need to first invest in the individual show the individual you care. As I mentioned, and then ask the individual to. Care about the team enough to sacrifice his or her own goals in some case. So, I appreciate your feedback on that. And I know you're a wealth of information and we can have a conversation for another 30 minutes, but there are time restraints. So let's move on to resources for coaches. What are some great leadership resources for anyone listening that would like to better themselves?

Katherine: 33:32

Well, I will give you a few. The first one, like I said earlier, would be vision pursue. It's a curriculum that you can access through an app daily practices that are really great for performance mindset. Uh, leadership specifically, I would recommend the book Whale Done by Ken Blanchard. Um, and then from there, there are, Yeah. there are lots of things that a coach can do. I will give a little bit of vague feedback here and say, that it's important to get started. And I think at the most important place to get started is with yourself. And like you just said, a coach can sit in the weight room and say, Hey, go harder. And I'll just ask coaches to realize that we often coach the way that we were coached. And so ask yourself, is that really the best way? Is that the way I believe in the way that empowers me and you don't necessarily need a book or a course to answer that every coach has the freedom to answer that for themselves.

Luke: 34:29

And what about if our listeners want to get in contact with you? What's the best way for them to do it?

Katherine: 34:35

I, my website is fixed your mindset.com. And my email address is Katherine@fixyourmindset.com. So whether you're going on my website, you want to reach out to me that way or directly through email.

Luke: 34:48

Katherine, thanks so much for being on again. I really enjoyed our conversation. You're a wealth of information. I want to encourage our listeners to look at your website email, reach out and learn more about how you could help improve their individual athletes and their team as a whole. So, thanks so much for coming on.

Katherine: 35:05

Yes. Thank you for having me.

35:07

So much a takeaway from this episode, but if I had to sum it up for me, it comes down to this. Coaches need to develop daily routines that will enable them to keep their why on the forefront and prevent the outside noise, which can be very persuasive from the distracting them from their true purpose. Journaling reading, whatever it is. Never forget your why, which can't just simply be winning. Thanks again for listening. I encourage you to reach out directly to Katherine. She's awesome. Her website and book recommendations are listed in the show notes. If you want to connect with me, I'm on Twitter @Luke Mertens or email Luke Mertens 44@gmail.com. Please consider leaving a review. And if you're finding value, recommend the podcast to others. And remember the more 'I's we impact in this world, the more everyone wins. That's The "I" in Win.