Utilizing Outward Mindset To Achieve | Jack Moses

Luke: 0:12

My man, Jack, welcome to the show "I. Appreciate you hopping on to The. "I" in Win. This is really cool for me. The only other previous athlete that "I have coached that's been on has been TJ Edwards. And it's really cool to get to have another previous athlete on the show. Hold on a minute. "I lied. He's gonna get mad at me. You're actually the third. I've had TJ Edward. I've had Dan Santucci and now you so "I apologize. So you're my third person "I have coached to have on I think you have a very unique perspective to give some insight to my audience. So thank you so much for being on "I. Appreciate it. "I. Love the Northwestern hat in the background by the way.

Jack: 0:50

Thank you "I. Appreciate you, uh, inviting me to come on here. It's super cool. Um, "I got some big names to live up to with TJ Edwards, um, right there, but I'm excited for it. I'm hoping "I could offer a unique perspective as somebody who was an athlete and now technically is not an athlete, but, uh, still likes to do athletic things, "I would say. So yeah, I'm, I'm excited for this convers.

Luke: 1:14

That's a great lead. Imposter syndrome. And you and "I have talked about this over the phone. You have tweeted about it. That's a real thing. And prior to starting this podcast, full disclosure, "I wasn't even aware of imposter syndrome. Since starting the podcast, it's a real thing. So what's your thoughts on imposter syndrome? And if you have something to put out there that is of.

Jack: 1:45

Yeah, so "I think when you enter any new endeavor in life, whether it's sports, a new career, like trying something new, like podcasting it, you're supposed to feel like an imposter. Like that is the first step in becoming the person you want to become. I think if you don't feel imposter syndrome every once in a while, it means you're not taking enough risks to grow outta your comfort zone. and so "I felt it many times. Like going back, let's go back to high school football. when "I was a sophomore and playing on the varsity team, like that first game, "I felt like an imposter. "I was like, okay. I've never played wide receiver before, like this is, these guys are huge. Like, oh my God, there's so many people in the stands, like you feel like an imposter. And for those first couple plays and even games, you really question yourself, like if you belong out there. But as you get better and better and become more comfortable, you start to really feel like you own that identity and then by the time you're a senior, it's just a part of who you are. Kind of leading into college, like "I had that again, a lot, especially making the jump to like the division "I level and seeing just like the sheer size and athleticism of all these guys out there. Um, imposter syndrome, "I think it affects pretty much everybody. and so "I think it's an interesting point that even you said it like doing this podcast, you felt like an imposter, but now, you've done a whole year's episodes and I'm sure it feels like second nature to you, so it's just that little bit of resistance that we gotta get over.

Luke: 3:16

Well, in fairness, it doesn't feel like second nature. It's still very difficult to listen to my own voice. "I mean that's a really tough hurdle to get over. But yes, you do start to feel comfortable and you really question like, do "I really have value to give to people? Because you trust yourself, you believe in yourself, but you go, man, does anyone really care what "I have to say? So yeah, "I mean that, that that's a real thing. And it's interesting what you said about, being a sophomore player up on varsity because having coached you, "I would not have guessed that you felt that way. So how do you, how do "I put. do you, uh, get over imposter syndrome because "I never had guessed that you had it as a sophomore player For me, back in that.

Jack: 4:01

Yeah, that's an interesting question. "I think it's just time and reps and. Once you're in it long enough and you realize that like, okay, it's still football, it's still what you do like, it's just because it's at a different level, it's still the same game and it's fundamentals. Once you realize that, you're able to just go play and "I think a big part of imposter syndrome is just overthinking everything and making things more complicated than they are when in reality. playing varsity football versus playing sophomore football. It's still football. It's just a little bit a different level for us having this podcast. It's just us having, in reality, we're just having a conversation. But when you attach a podcast to it, expectations are raised, then it makes it so you overthink it a little bit. So "I think it all just comes back down to simplifying things down to what they really.

Luke: 4:55

Which is kind of what you talk about in your newsletter, the Weekend Drift, and that you had to get over an imposter syndrome yourself to put that out there. So let's first start with what is the weekend drift?

Jack: 5:11

Yeah, so the weekend drift is, uh, like a five minute weekly read every Thursday that "I send out just about some thoughts I've been having throughout the week or some insights I've picked up. and this really started with a phenomenon. "I heard off another podcast. Um, this guy named Andrew Huberman. He's a neuroscience professor at Stanford. He has a great podcast about productivity, health, um, all those benefits, and he, he termed it the Weekend Drift. And "I really thought about that for a while because it seems like every Monday through Thursday, like "I could be super disciplined. Eating all the right foods, following all the right diets, like getting enough sleep, everything is good. And then once that Friday rolls around, you start to slip and then by Saturday you've slipped even more. And by Sunday you feel like you, all the progress you made Monday through Thursday you've lost in the weekend. And so it really started off as just writing these like little reminders to myself going into the weekend just to remember my intentions that like my Monday self had. Yeah. And just remembering what "I wanted to be on Monday, and not letting the fact that it's the weekend. Totally. Throw me off course.

Luke: 6:25

And you know, the Huberin podcast is phenomenal. "I Will, "I will agree with you. if you're a coach and you're a listener, "I, highly recommend it. Although it is science based, he does a lot of episodes that would be really productive for coaches and really teachers. To listen to "I mean. He, he goes into a deep dive into motivation, For example, and what really gets athletes inspired. So interesting that that kind of propelled you because "I love that podcast myself. And, listen to guys like that make me feel like really am "I, should "I really be on Apple Podcast with guys like him, right? Uh, here, "I am just a high school teacher and high school football. Probably something you felt yourself because, uh, you're a junior now at Northwestern, right?

Jack: 7:14

Yeah, that's right.

Luke: 7:15

Yeah. So you're a junior at Northwestern. What are you, uh, majoring in?

Jack: 7:19

Just switch to psychology this past week.

Luke: 7:23

Okay, so you're a junior at Northwestern University, one of the greatest universities in the country. There's no doubt about that. But nonetheless, you're a young person and you took the leap of faith and said, I'm going. Start this newsletter called The Weekend Drift. So you gave us the what. What's the why behind it? Why did you decide to dive into this?

Jack: 7:45

Yeah, so that's another really interesting question, the why behind it. Um, it really started off as something like "I said, kind of for myself, just to remind myself and then. I got the, it's kind of a long story, but "I guess I'll get into it. Um, so this summer, "I packed Europe with like my best friend from high school, Patrick O'Malley, one of our old Lake Zurich teammates. And "I was on a very long train ride from Madrid to Paris by myself. And "I was sitting next to this Italian kid who was a artist, like a professional. and he saw me journaling for like four straight hours. And he was like, are you a writer? And "I was like, no, like, I'm not a writer. I've never been a writer in my life. And then basically he's like, dude, "I mean you just wrote for four straight hours. Maybe you should consider sharing your thoughts with other people. And so at that exact same time, "I was listening to an audiobook called Lynch. Um, which basically is about becoming your most unique self and becoming indispensable and, uh, extremely valuable in the modern economy. And one of the main takeaways from the book was, the only reason you're not doing the things you want, you know, you should do is because you're scared of other people judging you. And so, That was a big hurdle to get over at first, but "I just started to start small. "I sent it to a couple family members and friends just to give like some general advice that has helped me and "I was hoping it could help them and that kind of has spread. Um, it went from like literally like six people at first and now "I have over like 90 people reading it every week, which isn't a crazy number, but it is, it is kind of crazy to say, um, cuz "I didn't expect it to turn into anything. But yeah, if "I could just help somebody remember their intentions that they set at the start of the week and get something productive out of their weekend and just better their lives in some way like that, that is the goal.

Luke: 9:43

in essence, you're helping people grow. So what is the meat and potatoes of the weekend Drift.

Jack: 9:49

The meat and the potatoes of the weekend drift is just basically centered around personal growth like you. a lot of times I'll come up with these ideas just when I'm like walking around or doing something crazy and just the thought "I had, or I'll take an excerpt from like a book or a podcast and "I just want to share it to people that I'm around and close to because a lot of the readers are, are close friends, are close family members, and so if "I could give them some inspiration to better their lives in some way, that's really all it matters to me. The texts "I get occasionally after "I send it from like a close friend or a family member. Like, Hey, "I hadn't thought about it this way. Or like, Hey, like this made me, this inspired me to like sign up for a race Like that is kind of surreal when that happens. Like feeling that. So yeah, "I, it's an awesome feeling for sure.

Luke: 10:41

Yeah, there's no doubt. And you know, you brought up numbers and we're such a data-driven society, and you brought up, Hey, "I sent it to six people and now there's 90 people that are subscribed wherever it may be, and we can't get caught up in the number right. because if we move the needle for one person, that's what matters. And that's why "I applaud you. Here you are that you, you threw your thoughts out there and you said, I'm gonna give it a shot. So if it's 90 people or if it's 90,000 people, that's irrelevant. That does not matter. What matters is are you helping someone through their day, right? And you just never know what you say. That could impact someone and for us to think. Our thoughts or what we say won't impact anyone, goes back to what we started this conversation of imposter syndrome. We all have something that we could share. You never know what's gonna resonate with somebody. So you just have to have the courage to put yourself out there and say, Hey, here's my thoughts. And that's what's so awesome about the world we live in today. So, people complain about the fact that, oh, anybody could have a voice in today's society. Yeah, that is a. But we could also look at it as a positive and "I think you figured that out with social media, I mean we control the social media experience. So how can my listeners take social media and turn into a positive experience in your opinion?

Jack: 12:08

Yeah, that's a great point to bring up. Um, and going back to like my high school days or even my, like first year of college, like "I was binge consuming content on social media that had no value in my life for like hours a day, like, TikTok, the algorithms are so addictive. They literally just program you to just sit there and, and scroll like somebody playing a slot machine. Like it's pretty crazy. but with that knowledge and with the knowledge that these social media programs are literally meant to keep us on there and program us in a way like actually socially program us "I think we can almost manipulate the algorithms to work in our favor. For example, something "I did on Instagram was "I stopped following all these like celebrities and people that really weren't bringing any value into my life. And it honestly were bringing me a lot of like negative thoughts of social comparison. Like, for example, following an Instagram model. yeah, she's really, she's really attractive, but you get the thought like, oh, I'll never be with her, or something like that. What "I tried to do is only follow people who are gonna provide me with value. like a David Goggins for example. Like let's say you only consume David Goggins content and that's all you saw on your social media feed. You're gonna be motivated as hell every day when you go on Instagram so "I think just being mindful of what you're consuming and tailoring what you're consuming to the person you want to become.

Luke: 13:38

And "I know you've been doing some research on social media, so explain the phrase social programming for people that may not be familiar with that.

Jack: 13:47

Totally, yeah. So social programming has been a thing for like thousands of years. I mean, if you think about it, like people who have become socially programmed through religion like the Bible, definitely social pro, socially programmed people to live their life in a certain way. Um, even like TV and books were older forms of that, but now social media is a way where you can be on it all the all the time and it can literally shape and mold your personality. "I think because the people who have developed these. Have studied human psychology so extensively that they know how to manipulate these algorithms to influence the person you become because you are what you consume in a way that that's the essence behind it.

Luke: 14:36

So part of what you're talking about is really mindset and "I know that's a really important thing to you, and that's something that you've been working on. And you know, you talk about journaling, you talk about, uh, "I believe you stopped drinking alcohol. "I know you've always eaten very, uh, you, you, you're a fit person, So, Where does mindset play a role in what you're talking about? Because again, we talk about imposter syndrome, we talk about, social programming, we talk about control, what you consume, like let's talk about mindset and how we really, we're not the victims. We like to act like we're the victims, but we're really not. Like, how can we take control of our lives and. Really become the person that we truly should.

Jack: 15:26

Yeah. So "I think there's a couple cool ideas about mindset that "I really like. first "I, there's a great book by Carol Dweck called, growth Mindset is "I, think what it's called. Um, and it basically talks about having a growth mindset versus a fixed. And so take for example, a new sport you pick up or a new hobby. Like for me it was running at first "I went, "I, tried to go for a mile run like post ACL surgery, and "I literally had to stop after a mile. And my instant thought was, "I suck at this. I'm never gonna be a runner. "I don't have a runner's body type. And "I was gonna. but with this knowledge from these books about having a growth mindset and realizing, changing the phrasing from, I'm not good at this to, I'm not good at this yet. That's the key because everybody who starts off at anything sucks at first, and that's so normal. You have to be willing to suck at something in order to become good at it in the future. And so don't "I went from not running that half mile to LA two weekends. "I ran a half marathon and "I don't say that to like, to say that I'm a great runner or anything because I'm still not yet. But it shows that you can get better at anything you put your mind to. Um, another cool mindset that I've been exposed to is the outward versus inward mindset. And "I really like this mindset strategy when it comes to social interactions. instead of having an inward mindset and thinking, what can "I gain from this social interaction? Like what value can this person provide me? Flip that and be like, how can "I provide value to this other person? How can "I listen to what this other person is telling me? And then your social interactions will get 10 times stronger because of it. And so those are two little mindset things that I've learned over the past year that have really helped my, me personally and my social relationships.

Luke: 17:27

It's really interesting what you just said there, because "I don't mean to belabor the point cuz we've talked about extensively throughout this episode. But we all do have something to offer. And the sad thing is, is we think we don't And everybody has something to offer. Someone you just, you just gotta kind of put it out there. But instead we choose to be. Consumers of information, for example. Right? Rather than being the ones who's giving the information. Cause we think, what do "I have to give? So that is a great point that you brought up and, and "I could tell you that any teacher coach listening to this episode, I'm. "I. Pretty confident that they are aware of the mindset of, I'm not there yet. they should be aware of that. That's a, that's a great book. Which by the way, "I will put in the show notes if you're not familiar with it. "I think it's really important to understand a growth mindset versus a fixed mindset. Regardless if you're a teacher, you're a coach, or you're a. because that's the struggle, especially in today's world because people expect to just be there right now. Like, Hey, I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna be the best at it. And if they're not, it's amazing how many people wanna just. Wave the white flag and say, this is, not for me. So, that's a great, resource that you brought up for me to put up into the show notes. And that also goes a little bit into you dabbling with entrepreneurship, cuz "I know you're not there yet, but you're starting to deal with it. Right? So, take me through, first of all, what's your draw to entrepreneurship as opposed to just being a W two?

Jack: 19:00

Yeah. So the big draw for me is having autonomy and control over my time and what "I choose to do with it. Um, I've noticed whenever "I set my own goals and I'm pursuing things I'm, I'm intrinsically passionate about, I'll work way harder to achieve those. and "I felt this a bit in the juxtaposition of like high school football versus college football. So high school football. "I was in a, a bit of a more autonomous position where especially senior year "I was fortunate enough to like be involved with every play and be in a direct relationship with a coach and have control over maybe a little bit of the play call, like what happens with the ball, et cetera in college. "I had to take more of like a sidekick role, obviously, and "I. "I never really saw the actual playing field, but for me, "I find more motivation on a day-to-day basis when I'm in control of what I'm doing. And it also kind of goes to "I, don't want to have to answer to somebody else that tells me what to do. and "I, "I really just like making decisions for myself and finding out things myself. So that's what it comes back down to.

Luke: 20:16

So let's talk about the entrepreneurship path. Like what are some things that you're starting to dabble in as just a junior in college? And by the way, maybe "I shouldn't say just a junior in college, but you're younger than me and probably most of our listeners too.

Jack: 20:29

Yeah, very true. Um, so "I had a bit of a taste of entrepreneurship last year around this time actually. I was a part of a startup for the first time in my life. Um, one of my really good friends on the football team here, Carl Richardson, he's a quarterback on the team. He had a good friend named Avi who, uh, they had this idea for a social media app where it would help college kids interact, post Covid "I and get to know each other. And they basically came and knocked on my door and they were like, do you want to be a part of this? And "I was, "I, guess why not? "I really didn't know what "I was getting into. But from there we planned it for like seven months and we ended up releasing, uh, releasing our app officially on "I. Think it was September 26th last year. So about a over a year. And at first, like we had a bunch of success. Like we had over a thousand downloads in a day. We thought we were gonna be the next Facebook, like all this stuff but then about a week later, like it totally collapsed, for multiple reasons. but that first taste of entrepreneurship really got me thinking like, "I really love this. Um, just the excitement of it, knowing you're building something yourself and that other people are also excited about it too. as far as right now, the entrepreneurship stuff I'm focused on mostly is the writing aspect on Twitter and this newsletter. Um, I'm hoping to start a podcast soon too, and "I have some ideas about that. Um, another thing is, I'm doing an entrepreneurship program this upcoming winter, through Northwestern, through the school. That'll be in San Francisco. So it'll be a great opportunity to like expand my horizons and get out into the Silicon Valley and see what the whole entrepreneur lifestyle is like. So I'm still in the process of figuring everything out. "I haven't, like, made anything significant yet, but the whole thing just is super appealing.

Luke: 22:23

So what you explained actually happens to everybody. It doesn't matter if it's a, an app, a podcast, a restaurant. There's always, when you first launch, there's the, the, all of the excitement. Everybody loves something new. and then there's that major crash. You even use that word, there's a crash. "I mean, it just happens. It's the reality of it. So the tough part is you have to keep showing up, that's the tough part because you're right, yeah. "I a thousand downloads in a day and then you won't get a thousand downloads in next year. But you have to keep just putting your value out there. But if you understand your. Then it doesn't matter, right? So you've used the idea of your newsletter that like it's for you as much as it's for people who read it. Same thing for me. This podcast, "I love talking to people like you. "I talk to, I've talked to Coach Truss who's one of the national championship, Ohio State and "I talked to high school athletes. "I don't care. "I take away little tidbits from everybody and if five people download or 5,000 people. We can't worry about that outcome. What we have to worry about is what can we take away from this experience? So your, trajectory of your entrepreneurship is very common, And that's why so many podcasts fail, for example, right? People get into it and they say, well, I'm gonna be the next Joe Rogan. No, you're not. You're just not right. Like you're gonna get 5,000 downloads when you launch in that first month, and then no one's gonna listen to you thereafter. But do you have the grit to keep going through and offering content that you think is valuable and maybe two or three other people do as well? And keep forging ahead?

Jack: 24:09

Yeah, "I love what? "I. Sorry to there. "I was gonna say "I. Love what you said right there about not focusing on the outcome. Um, and that's a big realization I've had recently is. focusing on the process versus the results, because a lot of times we can't, we can't control the results. You can't control how many people are gonna click on your podcast, but yet if you show up every day for 10 years, "I bet you you'll be successful. so if we can focus on the day-to-day habits, the people who can focus on the day-to-day boring habits over a long enough period of time, we'll see the overnight. 10 years, 20 years down the line. But that overnight success is not actually overnight success. It's the accumulation of like daily habits over time. And then there's a tipping point eventually, but most people give up before that tipping point happens. and another thing that you said "I really liked was like, you're not gonna be the next Joe. Rogan and "I think that's applicable to anything in life. Like "I want it to be the next Julian. like so bad, but obviously that didn't happen and that's fine. And "I think the point is don't try to be the next. Joe Rogan. Julian Edelman, Tom Brady, Michael Jordan. Try to become the best version of yourself. Um, there's a great quote by one of my favorite. authors, psychologists, Jordan Peterson, um, it's like, don't compare yourself to others. Compare yourself to who you were yesterday. And that goes back to the daily habits. If you can just get a little bit better every single day, like the person you could become in 1, 3, 10 years, like you wouldn't even imagine. So those are "I really like those points that you said right there. Those are awesome.

Luke: 25:51

it's funny what you just brought up, so you obviously know, coach Mcg gargle from Northwestern. Super inspirational, motivated guy, and I'll never forget. Because "I got to coach him in high school. "I had nothing to do with his success. All of his successes are because of him, And he goes and plays at Northwestern. And in high school he was number 40. And there's this great player you might have heard of by the name of Mike Alstot that wore number 40, right? So Coach Mcg, Gargo is at Northwestern, and all of a sudden "I go to watch plays. We're number 41. And I'll never forget talking to him. "I said, Hey, Why aren't you number 40 anymore? "I was like, Mike Alstot. Like, come on. He goes, because nobody's ever talking about a number 41. Hopefully after my four years, people will talk about a number 41, and that just really stuck with me. And here "I was the adult and he wasn't right. And "I was like, man, that, that's powerful stuff because you just never know what's gonna stick out there. And you have to be willing to, you just never know. You may be. Person. Right? You just never know. But you have to be willing to just kind of put it out there and you can't worry about the outcome. You have to focus on the process and if it happens, it does. If your only goal is the outcome, you're never gonna get there. I have to think. You've learned some of this from your days as an athlete. So how has being an athlete, and you're a great football player, you're a great baseball player. You played division "I football for a couple years at Northwestern at a very high level before you got. How has that helped your mindset?

Jack: 27:30

Yeah, so "I think the number one thing you learn from sports at any level, especially football, is discipline. And "I think it's a thing a lot of people lack today in society. And I'm not gonna sit here and say like, I've mastered it. Like "I struggle with it all the time, every day. "I, "I fight it. Um, but people are so caught up in motivation when motivation is a temporary emotion. Like when you are in high school football and you have a 6:00 AM lift in January, on a Wednesday morning, like yeah, you're not gonna want to go. If you're gonna want to play on Friday night, you're gonna go and you're gonna like work hard. And "I think that's, that carries on for the rest of your life. So you have to commit to the actions that you want to do when you're, you were motivated even when you're not motivated. And that's discipline and "I think that's what sports really teaches you when you really don't have a choice. but "I think a lot of people lose that once they stop playing sports. And I'm trying to not.

Luke: 28:31

There's no question you played for me. So you know that "I don't give some big pregame speech "I. If you look at it scientifically speaking, it doesn't work. There's no such thing as a pregame speech. Something motivates kids or players, athletes at any level to go out there and like. Play Well that has nothing to do with anything. I'm assuming you're familiar with Jocko based on the fact that you said, uh, you know how motivation doesn't Yeah. "I mean it's just, it's a temporary emotion. Absolutely. Whereas discipline is the persistent practice of winning habits. That's what discipline is. Right. And it's so difficult to get up every. and work out, for example, regardless if you're an athlete or not an athlete, like it's so difficult. It's so difficult to get up every morning and read a book. It's so much easier to just pop on Netflix, So how are you trying to take control of the discipline in your life?

Jack: 29:32

Yeah, so it's like a constant. Iteration and tweaking. Um, I'm trying out new things all the time. Like this month I'm, I'm trying out sober October, which has been really cool. just to like really clear my mind for a month. Um, last month, "I tried to like wake up at the same time every single day, no matter if it was a weekend or weekday. And that was tough, like on a Saturday or Sunday, like still trying to get up at five and like be productive and work out. "I don't want to do that. I'm like, it's hard. It's really hard. Nobody wants to do that. But the people who do over a long period of time, take Jocko, take David Goggins. they are the, they are the people. They are because they can commit to those actions. so for me, it's like a constant negotiation with myself. sometimes I'll try to be too disciplined and strict, like waking up at 4 45 every day for a month. Like "I got really burnt out at the end of that month and like, like there was a couple days where "I didn't do anything because "I, "I was too hard on myself. So "I think negotiating with yourself, but also being strict enough to set boundaries and limits is, is really important and constantly looking to upgrade your systems. "I, "I, think that's huge.

Luke: 30:47

So "I, get up at 4 45 and the thing I've learned is not to negotiate with myself because if "I negotiate with myself, "I tell myself lies. Well, let's do double. We'll do we'll do more tomorrow. because there's never not going to be a moment when that alarm goes off at 4 45 that I'm not tired. There's no such thing, right? Like the alarm goes off at 4 45, I'm tired, I'm sore, I'm not in the mood, I'm unmotivated. that's just the reality of it. So what "I have learned is to stop the negotiation process, put my alarm clock across the room, so "I have to get up and turn it off before my wife divorces. And there is no negotiation because once I'm out of the bed, I'm like, all right, I'm up. Let's go. So that is the, the tough part because it all goes back to that mindset piece that we talked about, right? Like, this controls the outcome. "I know, no one could see what I'm doing right now, but I'm putting it to my mind. "I mean that that has complete control of the outcome. We act, act like we're. Passive consumers or maybe even victims at some point of the outcome. But no, we control the outcome of our life. You want to be in shape, get your ass outta bed and go be in shape, right? And that is just one thing that, many people miss and "I applaud you for recognizing it. For example, a sober October as a junior in college, that's not an easy thing. "I have to imagine. Am "I.

Jack: 32:24

Honestly, it's been really easy so far because,

Luke: 32:26

Well, your college experience is different than mine then Jack.

Jack: 32:29

well, the tough part of it is all the people around you who are engaging in different behaviors and. That's another huge thing. It's like being conscious of who you're surrounding yourself with. I think is really huge. Uh, there's a, there's a great quote like by Bill Gates "I. Think it's like, show me your five closest friends and I'll show you where you'll be in five years. And "I think the really hard part of a sober October would be Peer influence and peer pressure. but a lot of people I've been hanging out around with this month are doing the same. They're actually on the same thing as me. So it's been really easy cuz we're in it together on a Saturday night, like we're just hanging out having talks like this instead of going out. And so it makes it a lot easier. but if "I was just like stuck in my room by myself on a Saturday night, like, yeah, that would suck. But finding people around you like accountability buddies, accountability. "I. Have a group chat on Twitter with like four people "I met on Twitter, and actually a few high school friends from Lake Zurich. "I won't out their names. Um, but we're in a, we're in a group chat for sober October and every day we're texting and they're like, Hey, how's everybody doing? Um, just checking in. And that really helps. So "I think finding people in your life that have the same goals and ambitions as you can make you achieve any goal.

Luke: 33:46

Well, hey, like-minded people, "I, think you and "I are, which is why "I wanted to have you on. Uh, it was just such an honor to coach you. I'm so proud to see you become the man you are today. "I, love reading the weekend Drift, I. Get it in my inbox. "I it. Just "I. Love it. So don't ever doubt that you have something to offer because here "I am you're coach, and I'm learning from you because we all have something to offer. So keep, fortunate ahead, "I. Hope you move ahead with that podcast as well. Have you ever given any thoughts to a name, to a podcast?

Jack: 34:20

Ooh, uh, the initial thought, what "I was thinking is like the modern day Renaissance Man podcast. Just like an all encompassing podcast for learning personal growth, exploration, self betterment. Um, that's the initial thought, but it's subject to change.

Luke: 34:38

And if someone wants to subscribe to the weekend drift, where do "I gotta.

Jack: 34:43

Yeah. So they can go to, uh, weekend drift.com or if you look up any of my social media on Instagram, Twitter, it'll be in my bio. So Twitter is Jack Moses zero at Jack Moses zero. Instagram is underscore underscore Jack Moses' underscore underscore. and then, yeah, the weekend drift.com. Yeah. It'll be all there.

Luke: 35:06

So I'm not a social media expert by any stretch Imagin. It. You have a lot of underscores in that Instagram. We, we need to simplify that, Jack.

Jack: 35:15

you're right. "I "I know. Um, the problem is the, the generic just Jack Moses' name is taken. Somebody already has it. "I. "I might have to like, reach out and try to pay them for it or something.

Luke: 35:26

Hey, in my mind, there's only one Jack Moses. And that's you buddy. So hey "I, appreciate you coming on. It's been a great conversation. Like "I said, "I love re in the weekend drift. Listeners, "I really recommend you, you subscribe to Jax Newsletter. It's a, it's a really quick read. "I know everybody is always busy and think, oh, "I, don't have time for this. We all have time. And sit down the Netflix controller for two minutes, give the weekend drift a shot and "I think you're gonna walk away with some, great tidbits. Because although Jack May be a little. On the younger side, he still has a lot to offer us, uh, older people, right Jack? So "I appreciate it. And, it's, it's just been, I'm just really proud to sit here and have this conversation with you. So thanks for coming on. And "I look forward to following your success as an entrepreneur, as a podcaster and as also someone that has their owned, uh, weekend drift that's going on. You will be the next Hubner podcast someday.

Jack: 36:28

Thank you Coach "I. Really appreciate you, uh, taking the time to have me on here. It was awesome talking to you in this long form content. and I'd say likewise to you, like seeing you who's juggling a family, high school, football, coaching, all these different things, but still making time to Yeah, try to start a podcast, do things on social media, try to change people's lives. It's super inspirational for me to see because "I know how busy you are and, uh, you're still making the time to do it. So it inspires me to keep going. So thank you for having me on. It was,